What was going on in the corridors of power when Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine took place?
Julianne Smith, former US permanent representative to Nato and James Heappey, former UK armed forces minister, talk to the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire and Vitaly Shevchenko about the meetings and phone calls that gave them cause for optimism and concern in the three years since Russia launched its full scale invasion of Ukraine.
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